Comments on: Revelation Is Sufficient http://theschoolofchrist.org/articles/revelation-is-sufficient.html Christ-Centered Teaching for Christ-Centered Living Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:29:47 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Mary Roberts http://theschoolofchrist.org/articles/revelation-is-sufficient.html/comment-page-1#comment-1267 Mary Roberts Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:42:33 +0000 http://www.theschoolofchrist.org/socwp/wordpress/?p=146#comment-1267 Have you ever noticed in Revelation 1:1 that the Revelation is the FATHERS who gives it to Jesus? Important because Jesus doesn't have the Revelation in Matt 24:36 when he walked the earth, nor did any man or angel, but in Revelation 1:1 God had given it to Jesus who gave it to a angel to give to a man.Like in the days of Noah, we will know the day. Thank You for allowing me to comment. Have you ever noticed in Revelation 1:1 that the Revelation is the FATHERS who gives it to Jesus? Important because Jesus doesn’t have the Revelation in Matt 24:36 when he walked the earth, nor did any man or angel, but in Revelation 1:1 God had given it to Jesus who gave it to a angel to give to a man.Like in the days of Noah, we will know the day. Thank You for allowing me to comment.

]]> By: eve http://theschoolofchrist.org/articles/revelation-is-sufficient.html/comment-page-1#comment-1266 eve Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:16:13 +0000 http://www.theschoolofchrist.org/socwp/wordpress/?p=146#comment-1266 There is only one way to know the real Jesus and that is so simple that most people over look it. Give him your heart. Not a Sunday morning heart, or a Tuesday night cell group meeting heart. No, you think about what he has done for you, then you think how he would see you if you had never bothered to thank him for all he has done. Then you think about those you know in your life that you love and who love you and you finally realise that Jesus gave you more than they could. You finally realise that however hard you try to give back to him you can't match him. Then and only then when it has sunk in do you realise that you desire to offer him all that you are in yourself; but you can't do this for you don't know how for no one around you can teach you. And if you do try to talk to others who say they follow Jesus, they will not understand your desperation to know him. (They are not ready yet so pray for them.) So you finally go to the source, to Jesus and say something like: "Lord, I can give you nothing but I wish to give you everything of me. I want to give the rest of my life to you for I know that you wish to know me because you died to save me. Help me to know you." You offer your heart. Jesus already gave you his heart, pierced if you like, on the cross. In time when you are ready Jesus will show you how to know him in deeper ways within your heart. I would add he is a gentle teacher and will not frighten you ever. But there is a cost. To know him means you must be willing to be totally honest with yourself before him. Totally honest means you know that he, for he loves you enough to not leave you where you are now, will teach you how to face up to things that have happened in your life that are not good, and so you learn to submit to his teaching and care. His pruning and his gentle grace as he shows you how to grow into him and become closer and live as one in him. As one means you start to learn to forget to put yourself needs first. It is not easy, but I would have my life no other way, even when it hurts me emotionally. When I see him, even after such a time of knowing him, and I do know him; I will fall down at his feet feeling like I am not worthy of him. Not in fear of him, but in great awe of him and his willingness to come and meet me where I am at. Little me. I am one of many who have found Jesus by revelation, and my hearts cry is that those of you who read these words will also find him to the same depth of love that I am now experiencing. Eve UK Jesus is waiting for you to get serious about wanting to know him. It's your choice to respond to him or not. He graciously gave you free will to wish to know him or to refuse him. There is only one way to know the real Jesus and that is so simple that most people over look it.

Give him your heart. Not a Sunday morning heart, or a Tuesday night cell group meeting heart.

No, you think about what he has done for you, then you think how he would see you if you had never bothered to thank him for all he has done. Then you think about those you know in your life that you love and who love you and you finally realise that Jesus gave you more than they could.

You finally realise that however hard you try to give back to him you can’t match him.

Then and only then when it has sunk in do you realise that you desire to offer him all that you are in yourself; but you can’t do this for you don’t know how for no one around you can teach you. And if you do try to talk to others who say they follow Jesus, they will not understand your desperation to know him. (They are not ready yet so pray for them.)

So you finally go to the source, to Jesus and say something like:
“Lord, I can give you nothing but I wish to give you everything of me. I want to give the rest of my life to you for I know that you wish to know me because you died to save me. Help me to know you.”

You offer your heart. Jesus already gave you his heart, pierced if you like, on the cross. In time when you are ready Jesus will show you how to know him in deeper ways within your heart. I would add he is a gentle teacher and will not frighten you ever. But there is a cost.

To know him means you must be willing to be totally honest with yourself before him. Totally honest means you know that he, for he loves you enough to not leave you where you are now, will teach you how to face up to things that have happened in your life that are not good, and so you learn to submit to his teaching and care. His pruning and his gentle grace as he shows you how to grow into him and become closer and live as one in him. As one means you start to learn to forget to put yourself needs first.

It is not easy, but I would have my life no other way, even when it hurts me emotionally.

When I see him, even after such a time of knowing him, and I do know him; I will fall down at his feet feeling like I am not worthy of him. Not in fear of him, but in great awe of him and his willingness to come and meet me where I am at. Little me.

I am one of many who have found Jesus by revelation, and my hearts cry is that those of you who read these words will also find him to the same depth of love that I am now experiencing.

Eve UK

Jesus is waiting for you to get serious about wanting to know him. It’s your choice to respond to him or not. He graciously gave you free will to wish to know him or to refuse him.

]]> By: Tracy http://theschoolofchrist.org/articles/revelation-is-sufficient.html/comment-page-1#comment-1264 Tracy Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:12:40 +0000 http://www.theschoolofchrist.org/socwp/wordpress/?p=146#comment-1264 Today I am deeply burdened for those who are blinded -I know personally the enimity and I have lost alot due to revelation.. However; Christ is ALL and I am so humbled that God opened my eyes and ears to HIM - isn't it funny how ( the ones on the inside ) label those who actually abide in Christ as crazy , wrong or even religious? Makes no sense does it. Once a family member told me No ( leader ) will ever be right in your eyes - and of course I stated " your right cause it's all about Christ not mere men! God Bless u all on this journey - hold firm to your faith ! Today I am deeply burdened for those who are blinded -I know personally the enimity and I have lost alot due to revelation.. However; Christ is ALL and I am so humbled that God opened my eyes and ears to HIM – isn’t it funny how ( the ones on the inside ) label those who actually abide in Christ as crazy , wrong or even religious? Makes no sense does it. Once a family member told me No ( leader ) will ever be right in your eyes – and of course I stated ” your right cause it’s all about Christ not mere men! God Bless u all on this journey – hold firm to your faith !

]]> By: Judy B http://theschoolofchrist.org/articles/revelation-is-sufficient.html/comment-page-1#comment-893 Judy B Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:18:54 +0000 http://www.theschoolofchrist.org/socwp/wordpress/?p=146#comment-893 i figured it was intentional how you write "I am your brother". I think I am getting it now.I'd love to look at my life this way. I am so exausted of the lonliness. >>So, He establishes the Ecclesia, the called-out-of-the-world assembly of those who have been given the Revelation of Jesus, that they may translate it into the Testimony of Jesus by bearing witness to what they have seen and heard<< I am out of time. thank you I am thinking about the things you written. i figured it was intentional how you write “I am your brother”. I think I am getting it now.I’d love to look at my life this way. I am so exausted of the lonliness.
>>So, He establishes the Ecclesia, the called-out-of-the-world assembly of those who have been given the Revelation of Jesus, that they may translate it into the Testimony of Jesus by bearing witness to what they have seen and heard<<

I am out of time. thank you I am thinking about the things you written.

]]> By: Maris http://theschoolofchrist.org/articles/revelation-is-sufficient.html/comment-page-1#comment-55 Maris Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:04:00 +0000 http://www.theschoolofchrist.org/socwp/wordpress/?p=146#comment-55 Thank you, chuck and Chip, for sharing your thoughts here!!! I was encouraged by that. Much love to you!!! Thank you, chuck and Chip, for sharing your thoughts here!!! I was encouraged by that.
Much love to you!!!

]]> By: Chip Brogden http://theschoolofchrist.org/articles/revelation-is-sufficient.html/comment-page-1#comment-53 Chip Brogden Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:40:41 +0000 http://www.theschoolofchrist.org/socwp/wordpress/?p=146#comment-53 Hi Chuck, I appreciate your concern. If we sought personal revelation outside of, in addition to, or apart from the revelation of Christ then I would be concerned, too. But that is not the focus of the article. And yes, I suppose spiritual maturity is not a requirement for being "saved" but I would suggest that God has a purpose for us that extends beyond salvation. Seeking a deeper, richer, more mature revelation into Christ is the point of being a disciple, the goal being a maturity in our relationship that goes towards knowing the Savior Himself and not just knowing the salvation He provides. Such a desire for deeper knowing brings us into fellowship with the likes of Paul, who certainly had the revelation of Christ, but expressed an ongoing desire to "know Him." Instead of stating his contentment with being saved, he said he "had not yet attained, and was not yet perfected" (Phil. 2). In addition, Paul prayed that the Ephesian saints (who were already saved) would be granted "the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him" (Eph 1). If everyone could just be content with the revelation of Jesus already given in Scripture then Paul was praying superfluously. He should have just told them to read his letters, because they were revelation enough. The fact is there are depths of Christ yet to fathom, and even if it is all contained within Scripture, having Scripture does not guarantee we understand or have actually experienced the truths of Scripture. For this we need the Holy Spirit to personally unlock these truths and give us understanding; thus Paul is correct to pray for that ongoing wisdom and revelation, and we are correct to seek it. I'm not sure what you mean by "enmity". There is always enmity between children of the Spirit and children of the flesh. There's really nothing we can do about that. Thank you for your feedback, I hope this helps to clarify. Hi Chuck,

I appreciate your concern. If we sought personal revelation outside of, in addition to, or apart from the revelation of Christ then I would be concerned, too. But that is not the focus of the article. And yes, I suppose spiritual maturity is not a requirement for being “saved” but I would suggest that God has a purpose for us that extends beyond salvation. Seeking a deeper, richer, more mature revelation into Christ is the point of being a disciple, the goal being a maturity in our relationship that goes towards knowing the Savior Himself and not just knowing the salvation He provides. Such a desire for deeper knowing brings us into fellowship with the likes of Paul, who certainly had the revelation of Christ, but expressed an ongoing desire to “know Him.” Instead of stating his contentment with being saved, he said he “had not yet attained, and was not yet perfected” (Phil. 2).

In addition, Paul prayed that the Ephesian saints (who were already saved) would be granted “the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him” (Eph 1). If everyone could just be content with the revelation of Jesus already given in Scripture then Paul was praying superfluously. He should have just told them to read his letters, because they were revelation enough. The fact is there are depths of Christ yet to fathom, and even if it is all contained within Scripture, having Scripture does not guarantee we understand or have actually experienced the truths of Scripture. For this we need the Holy Spirit to personally unlock these truths and give us understanding; thus Paul is correct to pray for that ongoing wisdom and revelation, and we are correct to seek it.

I’m not sure what you mean by “enmity”. There is always enmity between children of the Spirit and children of the flesh. There’s really nothing we can do about that. Thank you for your feedback, I hope this helps to clarify.

]]> By: chuck selander http://theschoolofchrist.org/articles/revelation-is-sufficient.html/comment-page-1#comment-54 chuck selander Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:37:25 +0000 http://www.theschoolofchrist.org/socwp/wordpress/?p=146#comment-54 Chip, I guess I was refering how one is saved. It is by faith and faith alone. I agree--we must grow in our knowlegde of Jesus and what He desires. My wife's and my purpose statement is that of Paul in Col. 2: 2-3. It surely means going on with Christ and encourging others to do the same--but salvations start is by faith and continues to be by faith until He returns. I'm not talking about a life of shallowly following Jesus--we need to press on--but it is still by faith. My concern continues to be for those who "need" something else that a faith-response to be sure that we are saved. thanks for the response and I do appreciate reading your devotionals--. chuck Chip,
I guess I was refering how one is saved. It is by faith and faith alone. I agree–we must grow in our knowlegde of Jesus and what He desires. My wife’s and my purpose statement is that of Paul in Col. 2: 2-3. It surely means going on with Christ and encourging others to do the same–but salvations start is by faith and continues to be by faith until He returns. I’m not talking about a life of shallowly following Jesus–we need to press on–but it is still by faith.
My concern continues to be for those who “need” something else that a faith-response to be sure that we are saved.
thanks for the response and I do appreciate reading your devotionals–.
chuck

]]> By: chuck selander http://theschoolofchrist.org/articles/revelation-is-sufficient.html/comment-page-1#comment-52 chuck selander Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:36:19 +0000 http://www.theschoolofchrist.org/socwp/wordpress/?p=146#comment-52 Chip, I'm concerned about needing "additional" personal revelation. We HAVE revelation--given to the authors of Scripture. This has been given to us by God--we are to believe/respone to the revelation--as John says in Revelation 1: 1-3. John also says in his gospel--20: 30 and 31--believe what has been revealed--that Jesus is the Christ--and we will be saved. I believe that this pleases God and is sufficient. Are we adding on something that Scripture does not require for salvation?? Lots of verses state, thank the Lord, that salvation is by grace through faith. That to me is revelation. If God wants to add to my faith by a further personal revelation--great. But this should not put me at enmity with other believers. Pride is always at the door. In 1 Peter 2:8 the context is "trust" and "belief" --and disobeying causes stumbling -- not because there is no revelation. The disobeyers also heard the message but did not combine it with faith/trust/belief. I'm content with the revelation already given of Jesus in Scripture and my new life in Him. blessings, chuck Chip,
I’m concerned about needing “additional” personal revelation. We HAVE revelation–given to the authors of Scripture. This has been given to us by God–we are to believe/respone to the revelation–as John says in Revelation 1: 1-3. John also says in his gospel–20: 30 and 31–believe what has been revealed–that Jesus is the Christ–and we will be saved. I believe that this pleases God and is sufficient. Are we adding on something that Scripture does not require for salvation?? Lots of verses state, thank the Lord, that salvation is by grace through faith. That to me is revelation.
If God wants to add to my faith by a further personal revelation–great. But this should not put me at enmity with other believers. Pride is always at the door.
In 1 Peter 2:8 the context is “trust” and “belief” –and disobeying causes stumbling — not because there is no revelation. The disobeyers also heard the message but did not combine it with faith/trust/belief.
I’m content with the revelation already given of Jesus in Scripture and my new life in Him.
blessings,
chuck

]]> By: Maris http://theschoolofchrist.org/articles/revelation-is-sufficient.html/comment-page-1#comment-51 Maris Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:32:20 +0000 http://www.theschoolofchrist.org/socwp/wordpress/?p=146#comment-51 Thank you, Dan! I will. Let His will be done!!! Thank you, Dan! I will. Let His will be done!!!

]]> By: Dan Gonzales http://theschoolofchrist.org/articles/revelation-is-sufficient.html/comment-page-1#comment-50 Dan Gonzales Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:14:07 +0000 http://www.theschoolofchrist.org/socwp/wordpress/?p=146#comment-50 Hi Maris...Not the first time I've heard that...:) For me its very hard to explain something without feedback. When I write things in an effort to explain something, "big deal!" if I understand. The purpose is to share truth...Maris pray along with me for clear revelation and/or communication skills. Thank you Maris Hi Maris…Not the first time I’ve heard that…:)
For me its very hard to explain something without feedback. When I write things in an effort to explain something, “big deal!” if I understand. The purpose is to share truth…Maris pray along with me for clear revelation and/or communication skills. Thank you Maris

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