Comments on: The Two-Fold Work of the Cross http://theschoolofchrist.org/articles/the-two-fold-work-of-the-cross.html Christ-Centered Teaching for Christ-Centered Living Fri, 03 Feb 2012 19:31:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Chip Brogden http://theschoolofchrist.org/articles/the-two-fold-work-of-the-cross.html/comment-page-1#comment-1674 Chip Brogden Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:40:30 +0000 http://www.theschoolofchrist.org/socwp/wordpress/?p=250#comment-1674 Hi Ken, The article is not suggesting that there are two requirements to be saved. The article suggests that God has something in mind for us that goes beyond "mere" salvation, and that salvation is only the first step towards a larger, higher goal. Thank you for your feedback. Hi Ken,

The article is not suggesting that there are two requirements to be saved. The article suggests that God has something in mind for us that goes beyond “mere” salvation, and that salvation is only the first step towards a larger, higher goal. Thank you for your feedback.

]]> By: Ken http://theschoolofchrist.org/articles/the-two-fold-work-of-the-cross.html/comment-page-1#comment-1673 Ken Tue, 30 Nov 2010 05:13:39 +0000 http://www.theschoolofchrist.org/socwp/wordpress/?p=250#comment-1673 Perhaps I'm not reading this article correctly but, to make the 'gate' about 'Sonship' and the 'difficult path/way' about 'servanthood' (take up the cross, deny oneself and follow me), insinuates that we ‘enter the gate’ when we enter into a family based relationship with Jesus based on our repentance (not trusting the wicked one as our source of truth and paternal care) and belief (trust Jesus in a personal relationship as our God, Redeemer and Savior) - but for us to continue in that saving relationship we must enter into and maintain a 'servanthood' relationship with Jesus (a sacrificial suffering servanthood at that) Historically, those who separate ‘Sonship’ from ‘Servanthood’ i.e. establish that God has two requirements to be saved, have done so for the purpose of building organizational empires in which they have power, position and prestige in God's kingdom (prideful ambition).... [EDITED FOR LENGTH] Perhaps I’m not reading this article correctly but, to make the ‘gate’ about ‘Sonship’ and the ‘difficult path/way’ about ‘servanthood’ (take up the cross, deny oneself and follow me), insinuates that we ‘enter the gate’ when we enter into a family based relationship with Jesus based on our repentance (not trusting the wicked one as our source of truth and paternal care) and belief (trust Jesus in a personal relationship as our God, Redeemer and Savior) – but for us to continue in that saving relationship we must enter into and maintain a ‘servanthood’ relationship with Jesus (a sacrificial suffering servanthood at that)

Historically, those who separate ‘Sonship’ from ‘Servanthood’ i.e. establish that God has two requirements to be saved, have done so for the purpose of building organizational empires in which they have power, position and prestige in God’s kingdom (prideful ambition)…. [EDITED FOR LENGTH]

]]> By: Steve New http://theschoolofchrist.org/articles/the-two-fold-work-of-the-cross.html/comment-page-1#comment-1672 Steve New Mon, 29 Nov 2010 20:27:28 +0000 http://www.theschoolofchrist.org/socwp/wordpress/?p=250#comment-1672 Chip, The Lord does bear witness to this writing, because you are obedient to what you hear. This writing is Spirt filled. Thank you. That is the path. Letting the Spirit lead us and guide us and being fully surrendered to Him. Jesus did not come to Earth to make bad men good. He came to make dead men ALIVE. As we are dead (spiritually) in our sins, His Spirit will set us free and bring us to life. But we must have the Revelation. In mentioning Peter it is important to note that even he (even after walking with our Lord for 3 years) did not receive that revelation until Jesus ask him the third time "Do you love me?" When the Spirit was then yielded too and the flesh died, that would allow Peter to take up his cross and even allow him to physically die on a cross upside down. A death that was brutal but not as hard as His first death. What he found was the Spirit of His Lord and Savior living in him. This would allow him to walk his remaining days in the physical as a son of God as was Jesus (in His example to us). This could be the third work of the cross (and what I believe our Father and Heaven is releasing into the Earth today). That we are to walk this Earth as Jesus did and to manifest His Glory everywhere we are and in everything we do. This is the gospel(to live as Jesus taught us by revelation). To live as sons and daughters of the Living God and not as orphans. The only way to do this is complete surrender and allow the Spirit to guide. It must be done. I love you and your ministry. You do walk a narrow path but it is a path that spans the universe. Thank you Chip. Steve New Chip,

The Lord does bear witness to this writing, because you are obedient to what you hear. This writing is Spirt filled. Thank you. That is the path. Letting the Spirit lead us and guide us and being fully surrendered to Him. Jesus did not come to Earth to make bad men good. He came to make dead men ALIVE. As we are dead (spiritually) in our sins, His Spirit will set us free and bring us to life. But we must have the Revelation. In mentioning Peter it is important to note that even he (even after walking with our Lord for 3 years) did not receive that revelation until Jesus ask him the third time “Do you love me?” When the Spirit was then yielded too and the flesh died, that would allow Peter to take up his cross and even allow him to physically die on a cross upside down. A death that was brutal but not as hard as His first death. What he found was the Spirit of His Lord and Savior living in him. This would allow him to walk his remaining days in the physical as a son of God as was Jesus (in His example to us). This could be the third work of the cross (and what I believe our Father and Heaven is releasing into the Earth today). That we are to walk this Earth as Jesus did and to manifest His Glory everywhere we are and in everything we do. This is the gospel(to live as Jesus taught us by revelation). To live as sons and daughters of the Living God and not as orphans. The only way to do this is complete surrender and allow the Spirit to guide. It must be done. I love you and your ministry. You do walk a narrow path but it is a path that spans the universe. Thank you Chip.

Steve New

]]> By: Valerie http://theschoolofchrist.org/articles/the-two-fold-work-of-the-cross.html/comment-page-1#comment-1671 Valerie Mon, 29 Nov 2010 19:32:21 +0000 http://www.theschoolofchrist.org/socwp/wordpress/?p=250#comment-1671 Beautifully said- Amen. This reminded me of what Jesus said to Peter: "But what about you" He asked. "Who do you say I am?" Simon Peter answered, "you are the Christ, the Son of the living God". Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by My Father in heaven." Matthew 16:15-17 Beautifully said- Amen. This reminded me of what Jesus said to Peter:
“But what about you” He asked. “Who do you say I am?”
Simon Peter answered, “you are the Christ, the Son of the living God”.
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by My Father in heaven.”
Matthew 16:15-17

]]> By: JudyTC http://theschoolofchrist.org/articles/the-two-fold-work-of-the-cross.html/comment-page-1#comment-100 JudyTC Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:25:43 +0000 http://www.theschoolofchrist.org/socwp/wordpress/?p=250#comment-100 "Not “how EASY for them to enter the Kingdom of God”, but “how HARD it is”. The two-fold work of the Cross is a hard saying for rich and for poor alike."- I was thinking that for the rich they have much to lose that is why it is "hard" for them and to those who are poor and striving to be rich then that would be "hard" for them. But I am not sure if those who are poor are hard to for them for sometimes when a person who had really nothing to lose, they might embrace the two-fold Cross. You will notice that People always seek God when they are in trouble, most of them do not seek Him when they are not in trouble. - Just a thought. “Not “how EASY for them to enter the Kingdom of God”, but “how HARD it is”. The two-fold work of the Cross is a hard saying for rich and for poor alike.”- I was thinking that for the rich they have much to lose that is why it is “hard” for them and to those who are poor and striving to be rich then that would be “hard” for them. But I am not sure if those who are poor are hard to for them for sometimes when a person who had really nothing to lose, they might embrace the two-fold Cross. You will notice that People always seek God when they are in trouble, most of them do not seek Him when they are not in trouble. – Just a thought.

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