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		By: Chip Brogden		</title>
		<link>https://theschoolofchrist.org/april30#comment-4109</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 May 2019 19:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://theschoolofchrist.org/april30#comment-4108&quot;&gt;Patrick Boeke&lt;/a&gt;.

Your question relates to whether the future (as we perceive it) is fixed or open. My own thought is that it is a little of both. But I do not think we can arrive at a conclusion based solely upon an obscure part of speech, i.e., we cannot draw firm conclusions based on verb tenses. I agree that would amount to straining out a gnat, or squeezing the stone too hard to make it produce a drop of water. I am more interested in why this matters to you. What is the implication, one way or the other? Are you trying to determine something about free will, providence, etc.? To briefly state my own thought, God created a physical realm bound by laws of physics and time, but He Himself (as Creator) stands both within and without His Creation. Thus, God, being omnipresent in all times and dimensions, has omniscience of events and experiences them equally in a way that we cannot understand. That is not to say that these events are predetermined, only that they are known to Him before they are known to us. I hope that helps to simplify the matter and not complicate it further :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://theschoolofchrist.org/april30#comment-4108">Patrick Boeke</a>.</p>
<p>Your question relates to whether the future (as we perceive it) is fixed or open. My own thought is that it is a little of both. But I do not think we can arrive at a conclusion based solely upon an obscure part of speech, i.e., we cannot draw firm conclusions based on verb tenses. I agree that would amount to straining out a gnat, or squeezing the stone too hard to make it produce a drop of water. I am more interested in why this matters to you. What is the implication, one way or the other? Are you trying to determine something about free will, providence, etc.? To briefly state my own thought, God created a physical realm bound by laws of physics and time, but He Himself (as Creator) stands both within and without His Creation. Thus, God, being omnipresent in all times and dimensions, has omniscience of events and experiences them equally in a way that we cannot understand. That is not to say that these events are predetermined, only that they are known to Him before they are known to us. I hope that helps to simplify the matter and not complicate it further 🙂</p>
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		By: Patrick Boeke		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2019 12:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A question I have had for some time now has to do with the economy of the spaceless and timeless realm in which God exists.  I have not seen it explained that way in scripture or in that manner but I have heard a number of teachers describe it that way over the years.  This, some of them say is why the perfect present tense is used to describe some things.  The present perfect tense is said by some to indicate an event: happened, is happening and has happened all at the same time.  If that is so does that mean it had already happened when God created all things, and if that is so how could it take actual days of separation for the different parts of creation to occur.  So should one conclude that even though events may happen sequentially in the scriptural account of things that that is just God&#039;s way and God&#039;s will to have them happen that way in a seeming succession but in fact all events have already taken place, are taking place and will take place in God&#039;s awareness.  Or the other question is: Am I straining a gnat?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question I have had for some time now has to do with the economy of the spaceless and timeless realm in which God exists.  I have not seen it explained that way in scripture or in that manner but I have heard a number of teachers describe it that way over the years.  This, some of them say is why the perfect present tense is used to describe some things.  The present perfect tense is said by some to indicate an event: happened, is happening and has happened all at the same time.  If that is so does that mean it had already happened when God created all things, and if that is so how could it take actual days of separation for the different parts of creation to occur.  So should one conclude that even though events may happen sequentially in the scriptural account of things that that is just God&#8217;s way and God&#8217;s will to have them happen that way in a seeming succession but in fact all events have already taken place, are taking place and will take place in God&#8217;s awareness.  Or the other question is: Am I straining a gnat?</p>
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		By: Lynne Clark		</title>
		<link>https://theschoolofchrist.org/april30#comment-4107</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2017 11:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[that is so true, praise the Lord and thank you Chip, I enjoy your messages, down to earth and truth from the word of God. God bless you]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that is so true, praise the Lord and thank you Chip, I enjoy your messages, down to earth and truth from the word of God. God bless you</p>
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		By: Timothy B		</title>
		<link>https://theschoolofchrist.org/april30#comment-4106</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2015 12:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://theschoolofchrist.org/april30#comment-4103&quot;&gt;Brenda Brown&lt;/a&gt;.

Brenda, I have always thought of the temptation of Adam and Eve as a story within a story, revealing both a Physical (or Literal) sense, and a Spiritual sense. Mankind as we know, is comprised of both the rational faculty (the Reason) which corresponds to Adam; and the volitional faculty (the Will with the emotions) which corresponds to Eve. In the account, Eve, which would correspond to the Will with the emotions, sensed that the initial relationship towards the Lord God had changed. But the Rational faculty (which corresponds to Adam), no longer guided by an &quot;Inspired Reason&quot;, that is, intuitively aware of his/her own error of Choice or Personal Decision, was absent. The Will is always there in our temptations, but we are no longer guided by an &quot;Inspired Reason&quot;, call it Conscience or a spiritual intuition. Nor are we thinking consciously of the consequences of our actions. Hence, we are &quot;acting alone&quot; with our seduced Will and emotions. Apart from (Adam, the Rational faculty), our &quot;Inspired Reason&quot;, Conscience, or any spiritual intuition.    I know this may be &quot;stretching it&quot; a bit in the explanation, but I do hope that perhaps this may answer your question by way of correspondence. Let me know what you think. Timothy B]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://theschoolofchrist.org/april30#comment-4103">Brenda Brown</a>.</p>
<p>Brenda, I have always thought of the temptation of Adam and Eve as a story within a story, revealing both a Physical (or Literal) sense, and a Spiritual sense. Mankind as we know, is comprised of both the rational faculty (the Reason) which corresponds to Adam; and the volitional faculty (the Will with the emotions) which corresponds to Eve. In the account, Eve, which would correspond to the Will with the emotions, sensed that the initial relationship towards the Lord God had changed. But the Rational faculty (which corresponds to Adam), no longer guided by an &#8220;Inspired Reason&#8221;, that is, intuitively aware of his/her own error of Choice or Personal Decision, was absent. The Will is always there in our temptations, but we are no longer guided by an &#8220;Inspired Reason&#8221;, call it Conscience or a spiritual intuition. Nor are we thinking consciously of the consequences of our actions. Hence, we are &#8220;acting alone&#8221; with our seduced Will and emotions. Apart from (Adam, the Rational faculty), our &#8220;Inspired Reason&#8221;, Conscience, or any spiritual intuition.    I know this may be &#8220;stretching it&#8221; a bit in the explanation, but I do hope that perhaps this may answer your question by way of correspondence. Let me know what you think. Timothy B</p>
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		By: Louise		</title>
		<link>https://theschoolofchrist.org/april30#comment-4105</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2015 11:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Chip when I read today&#039;s lesson, I had the thought that you stated above. Man forgets that we are here because God wants us to be, but we so often allow self to get in the way. I am so thankful that we were created by God and not by man. And we cannot blame our choice of what we do on anyone else except self. Adam had a choice, he did not have to eat of the fruit even though Eve already had. It was his choice to say no. He knew God had told him not to eat of it and when God approached him about it, he blamed it on God saying the woman You gave me caused me to eat it. God does not cause us to do wrong, we make that decision ourselves. So goes the &quot;Freedom of Choice&quot;. Even when the choice is tempting, we need to seek God for the right thing to do. Adam was the man and man is supposed to be the leader of the household. So he can blame no one but self for eating the fruit and having to suffer the truth for it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chip when I read today&#8217;s lesson, I had the thought that you stated above. Man forgets that we are here because God wants us to be, but we so often allow self to get in the way. I am so thankful that we were created by God and not by man. And we cannot blame our choice of what we do on anyone else except self. Adam had a choice, he did not have to eat of the fruit even though Eve already had. It was his choice to say no. He knew God had told him not to eat of it and when God approached him about it, he blamed it on God saying the woman You gave me caused me to eat it. God does not cause us to do wrong, we make that decision ourselves. So goes the &#8220;Freedom of Choice&#8221;. Even when the choice is tempting, we need to seek God for the right thing to do. Adam was the man and man is supposed to be the leader of the household. So he can blame no one but self for eating the fruit and having to suffer the truth for it.</p>
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		By: Joanne		</title>
		<link>https://theschoolofchrist.org/april30#comment-4104</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2014 19:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When he was in the garden (along with Eve), Adam never thanked,  praised, blessed, or otherwise acknowledged any benefit from God.  How could he?  He had never experienced any need, sorrow, darkness, temptation, etc...everything was fine.  How would he have known about  &quot;making choices&quot;?   The word &quot;fall&quot;, of course, is never mentioned in scripture - it is man&#039;s way of explaining what God did.  And yes, He does take the blame for it all  (Rom. 8:20, among other verses, makes it clear God is the One who is responsible).
Paul says 6 times that &quot;All is of God.&quot;  That seems fairly clear Who is in charge.
One man states it this way:  Adam was an innocent (and ignorant) clod - he (and Eve) needed to learn about opposites, so their Creator gave them the necessary opportunity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When he was in the garden (along with Eve), Adam never thanked,  praised, blessed, or otherwise acknowledged any benefit from God.  How could he?  He had never experienced any need, sorrow, darkness, temptation, etc&#8230;everything was fine.  How would he have known about  &#8220;making choices&#8221;?   The word &#8220;fall&#8221;, of course, is never mentioned in scripture &#8211; it is man&#8217;s way of explaining what God did.  And yes, He does take the blame for it all  (Rom. 8:20, among other verses, makes it clear God is the One who is responsible).<br />
Paul says 6 times that &#8220;All is of God.&#8221;  That seems fairly clear Who is in charge.<br />
One man states it this way:  Adam was an innocent (and ignorant) clod &#8211; he (and Eve) needed to learn about opposites, so their Creator gave them the necessary opportunity.</p>
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		By: Brenda Brown		</title>
		<link>https://theschoolofchrist.org/april30#comment-4103</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 17:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Chip,
Why do you think that Eve&#039;s eyes were not opened when she first ate the fruit?...If her eyes had been opened at that time wouldn&#039;t she have known she was naked etc. and, therefore; not given the fruit to Adam...
All that is said is that when Adam ate of the fruit &quot;their eyes&quot; were opened...like she didn&#039;t see til they both saw &quot;together&quot;.

This may not have anything to do with my knowledge of God, I would just like to get understanding as to why it was stated that way...I have sought the Lord for over a year concerning the revelation that is there...I think I have part of it worked out, and for me at least, it seems of value...

Anyway, I am relieved to know that was Icreated for Him and for His pleasure...Once I saw this the pressure was off me, and Purpose was clearer...

&quot;May God&#039;s Kingdom come, and His will be done on earth to the extent is is done in Heaven&quot;...

&quot;Lord, we are waiting and watching for Your Kingdom to be manifested...Speed the day!&quot;
Brenda Brown]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chip,<br />
Why do you think that Eve&#8217;s eyes were not opened when she first ate the fruit?&#8230;If her eyes had been opened at that time wouldn&#8217;t she have known she was naked etc. and, therefore; not given the fruit to Adam&#8230;<br />
All that is said is that when Adam ate of the fruit &#8220;their eyes&#8221; were opened&#8230;like she didn&#8217;t see til they both saw &#8220;together&#8221;.</p>
<p>This may not have anything to do with my knowledge of God, I would just like to get understanding as to why it was stated that way&#8230;I have sought the Lord for over a year concerning the revelation that is there&#8230;I think I have part of it worked out, and for me at least, it seems of value&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, I am relieved to know that was Icreated for Him and for His pleasure&#8230;Once I saw this the pressure was off me, and Purpose was clearer&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;May God&#8217;s Kingdom come, and His will be done on earth to the extent is is done in Heaven&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Lord, we are waiting and watching for Your Kingdom to be manifested&#8230;Speed the day!&#8221;<br />
Brenda Brown</p>
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		By: Chip Brogden		</title>
		<link>https://theschoolofchrist.org/april30#comment-4102</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chip Brogden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 16:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://theschoolofchrist.org/december4#comment-5845&quot;&gt;sherry&lt;/a&gt;.

Theologians would say it was necessary for Man to have &quot;freedom of choice.&quot;  I suppose that is mostly correct.  Strictly speaking however, it was neither the tree nor the serpent nor listening to Eve that caused Adam&#039;s downfall; it was his decision to walk an independent path. It was his yielding to Self that opened the door to Sin.  Self was there all along; had it been denied, Sin would not have gained entrance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://theschoolofchrist.org/december4#comment-5845">sherry</a>.</p>
<p>Theologians would say it was necessary for Man to have &#8220;freedom of choice.&#8221;  I suppose that is mostly correct.  Strictly speaking however, it was neither the tree nor the serpent nor listening to Eve that caused Adam&#8217;s downfall; it was his decision to walk an independent path. It was his yielding to Self that opened the door to Sin.  Self was there all along; had it been denied, Sin would not have gained entrance.</p>
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